09 fevereiro 2008
Grémio a Prémio
De cabeça ainda a latejar de duas bastonadas da polícia, escrevo ainda sem acreditar muito na futilidade do que vi. Por volta das 18:00 reuni-me com mais alguns habituais do Grémio Lisbonense em frente ao prédio. Queríamos mostrar a nossa indignação pelo despejo da sociedade. Eramos 80 a 100 pessoas, que viam desde a cadeira do barbeiro até às paletes de garrafas de água a serem carregadas para fora do prédio. A informação que circulava era de que negociações ainda seriam feitas até quarta-feira, e “aí veremos”. Após uma curta reunião nas escadas do prédio (e devo dizer, a mais eficaz reunião em que alguma vez estive) todos concordaram em subir as escadas para o Grémio, para ocupar as instalações em forma de protesto. No topo das escadas, fomos recebidos por cinco polícias e respectivos bastões.
Aparentemente, a defesa da ordem pública e a salvaguarda do bem estar dos cidadãos é algo que deve ser dado para o final do curso, e ao qual a maior parte dos graduandos de polícia faltam. As bastonadas deram origem a protestos, e o que até ao momento tinha sido uma acção ordeira tornou-se numa altercação com os agentes (nota: mas sempre pacífico, o único acto mais físico que presenciei, por parte dos manifestantes, foi uma rapariga que abraçou literalmente o braço de um polícia para evitar nova bastonada). Palavras de ordem, frase para aqui, frase para ali, tudo sem confronto físico. Até chegar nova remessa de agentes (cerca de 10, chegariam mais tarde a 20). Subiram a escada (com a permissividade dos manifestantes, que não os impediram), reuniram número no topo, e desataram à bastonada, como se pode observar no vídeo da TVNET. Uma acção nojenta. Muitas pessoas no fundo das escadas foram colhidas pelas pessoas que fugiam das bastonadas de cima. As agressões policiais foram absolutamente gratuitas, sem em algum momento se colocar em causa a integridade física dos agentes (como se pode ver pelas imagens, os manifestantes apelam à calma, recebem bastonadas em troca). Os agentes não deram qualquer pré-aviso. Para além disso, nem sequer foi tentado retirar-nos das escadas sem recurso a este tipo de força. A táctica policial não levou em qualquer conta a segurança dos manifestantes ou a índole do protesto.
Foi-nos recusada a identificação da maior parte dos agentes agressores (já os que de início se encontravam à porta). Violência gratuita e irresponsável sem nome. Fui agredido numa altura em que dei espaço para alguns colegas sairem pela porta, empurrado por agentes. Alguns dos manifestantes encontravam-se encurralados de braços sobre as cabeças, com bastonadas a choverem. Nenhum dos agentes parecia preocupado em retirá-los do local, a preocupação parecia ser enfardar o mais possível antes que eles saíssem. De braços esticados para libertar espaço, não pude proteger a cabeça de dois agentes que por trás dos colegas distribuiam um pouco de lei e ordem no átrio.
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btw, eu estive lá mas não assisti a nada do que é descrito.
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# mordido por 
: 09 fevereiro, 2008 02:50
: 09 fevereiro, 2008 02:50
Nao ouvi falar de nenhuns valores. A única coisa que ouvi era quarta-feira, quarta-feira.
Curiosamente, a RTP só decidiu passar a reportagem sobre o Grémio na sequencia da notícia de hoje...
Curiosamente, a RTP só decidiu passar a reportagem sobre o Grémio na sequencia da notícia de hoje...
Mas o que é que o meu caro amigo esperava ?
Um edificio daqueles, no centro da bixa de Lisboa, a pagar 360 por mês ????
Acha que os propietários são o quê, a Santa Casa da Misericórdia ?
Puseram uma acção de despejo, por obras realizadas sem consentimento dos proprietários, o tribunal decidiu, como não podiadecidir de outra maneira, e a polícia mais não fez do que cumprir o seu dever ; fazer com que a execução da sentença fosse para a frente.
Os esquerdistas pensam que a propriedade das pessoas (que não a deles bem entendido) é algo que pode ser do bem público, ao preço da uva mijona.
Não pode !
Há por aí senhorios com rendas miseráveis, que andam a subsidiar os inquilinos e a verem os seus rendimentos legitimos sonegados por uma espécie de "progressistas" que só é com o dinheiro dos outros.
Se os sócios do Grémio querem o edificio têm de pagar o valor justo por ele ! A propriedade privada é algo de sagrado.
Levaram umas bastonadas ? Se calhar só se perderam as que cairam no chão.
Um edificio daqueles, no centro da bixa de Lisboa, a pagar 360 por mês ????
Acha que os propietários são o quê, a Santa Casa da Misericórdia ?
Puseram uma acção de despejo, por obras realizadas sem consentimento dos proprietários, o tribunal decidiu, como não podiadecidir de outra maneira, e a polícia mais não fez do que cumprir o seu dever ; fazer com que a execução da sentença fosse para a frente.
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Não pode !
Há por aí senhorios com rendas miseráveis, que andam a subsidiar os inquilinos e a verem os seus rendimentos legitimos sonegados por uma espécie de "progressistas" que só é com o dinheiro dos outros.
Se os sócios do Grémio querem o edificio têm de pagar o valor justo por ele ! A propriedade privada é algo de sagrado.
Levaram umas bastonadas ? Se calhar só se perderam as que cairam no chão.
# mordido por : 09 fevereiro, 2008 21:18
: 09 fevereiro, 2008 21:18
lino josé, tanta coisa para discutir, vou só pegar numa única coisa.
A polícia nao cumpriu o seu dever. O seu dever seria manter a ordem (para além da lei) e salvaguardar a integridade das pessoas. Fizeram exactamente o contrário. Se se reve numa polícia que mais parece um bando de segurancas de discoteca com distintivos, perfeito, ficamos a saber um pouco mais sobre si.
Quanto ao colega que foi detido, já tivemos notícias. Depois da esquadra, e lá ter sido espancado, seguiu para o Hospital.
A polícia nao cumpriu o seu dever. O seu dever seria manter a ordem (para além da lei) e salvaguardar a integridade das pessoas. Fizeram exactamente o contrário. Se se reve numa polícia que mais parece um bando de segurancas de discoteca com distintivos, perfeito, ficamos a saber um pouco mais sobre si.
Quanto ao colega que foi detido, já tivemos notícias. Depois da esquadra, e lá ter sido espancado, seguiu para o Hospital.
Pois, mas o que as pessoas pretendiam era ir contra a ordem de despejo e manterem uma situação de verdadeira exploração dos proprietários com uma renda miserável.
Como milhares de casos que sucedem em Lisboa, de resto.
Uma renda de 360 euros por um prédio daqueles no centro de Lisboa é inadmissivel !
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Uma renda de 360 euros por um prédio daqueles no centro de Lisboa é inadmissivel !
# mordido por : 09 fevereiro, 2008 22:05
: 09 fevereiro, 2008 22:05
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Desconheço os pormenores, mas se a propriedade privada é sagrada, como diz, então não devia ser arrendada, nem devia haver dinheiro envolvido, tal como a igreja que eu ia quando era criança.
Desconheço os pormenores, mas se a propriedade privada é sagrada, como diz, então não devia ser arrendada, nem devia haver dinheiro envolvido, tal como a igreja que eu ia quando era criança.
# mordido por : 09 fevereiro, 2008 22:28
: 09 fevereiro, 2008 22:28
O que as pessoas querem é protestar contra o despejo, conscencializando a camara e o proprietário para que o Grémio continue a funcionar (com nova renda).
A pessoa detida é meu sobrinho. O miúdo mais pacífco e com melhor coração que conheço. Agora está bem, mas bateram-lhe ainda mais na esquadra e mantiveram-no lá durante 6 horas. Vai ser presente a tribunal com a acusação de ter agredido umm polícia e de lhe ter tentado tirar a arma!!!!! Felizmente somos uma família que se sabe mexer. E mais, que tem dinheiro suficiente para se mexer. Imgino todos aqueles a quem isto acontece e não podem fazer nada. Já temos relatório médico das agressões, já há queixa contra a polícia, já temos um óptimo advogado a tratar do caso. Eles nem sabem com quem se meteram. Antes de acabar, queria deixar aqui o meu apoio e solidariedade a todos os que lá estiveram e fazer um apelo para que todos os agredidos apresentem queixa. Não podemos permitir este tipo de actuação por parte da polícia. Não foi para isto que se os nossos pais fizeram Abril!
LM
LM
# mordido por : 10 fevereiro, 2008 00:29
: 10 fevereiro, 2008 00:29
Eles nem sabem com quem se meteram
Ora aqui temos um filhinho do papá bem riquinho todo ufano em que o dinheiro que tem vai fazer milagres e em vez de o condenar por ter tentado invadir propriedade privada vai condenar o polícia que lhe deu, e muito bem, uma bastonado nos cornos.
O 25 do A. fez-se para haver ordem e pôr estes esquerdistas na ordem.
Ora aqui temos um filhinho do papá bem riquinho todo ufano em que o dinheiro que tem vai fazer milagres e em vez de o condenar por ter tentado invadir propriedade privada vai condenar o polícia que lhe deu, e muito bem, uma bastonado nos cornos.
O 25 do A. fez-se para haver ordem e pôr estes esquerdistas na ordem.
# mordido por : 10 fevereiro, 2008 08:51
: 10 fevereiro, 2008 08:51
O 25 de Abril fez-se para por os esquerdistas na ordem? Parabéns, esta deve ser a frase mais alucinada dos últimos 30 anos...
# mordido por : 10 fevereiro, 2008 12:25
: 10 fevereiro, 2008 12:25
Zé,
Desculpa lá mas o "eles nem sabem com quem se meteram" nada tem a ver com o papá riquinho ou não. Nota que está em relação "a todos aqueles a quem isto acontece e não podem fazer nada."
Desde quando o Zé do Telhado considerou a propriedade privada?
Desculpa lá mas o "eles nem sabem com quem se meteram" nada tem a ver com o papá riquinho ou não. Nota que está em relação "a todos aqueles a quem isto acontece e não podem fazer nada."
Desde quando o Zé do Telhado considerou a propriedade privada?
# mordido por : 10 fevereiro, 2008 13:03
: 10 fevereiro, 2008 13:03
É pá, ó Zé, falas do "filho de papá riquinho", mas quem defende a properiedade privada como tu, ou é milionário ou é parvo! Que isto de cada um defender a classe a que pertence, ainda vá, mas defendermos a classe dos outros, outros esses que têm tudo e nós nada, isso é verdadeiramente idiota, não te parece?
Aproveito para te esclarecer alguns pequenos pormenores que me parece que conheces mal. O 25 de Abril (não digas 25 do A. que soas a direitolas!) fez-se por muitas razões, das quais posso destacar: pelo fim da ditadura e pela liberdade de associação política (até para pessoas como tu), pelo fim das prisões políticas e das torturas, pela paz e contra a guerra colonial,pela liberdade de manifestação (percebes esta?), pelo trabalho com direitos (até para pessoas como tu), pela saúde para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pela seg. social para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pela educação para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pelos direitos das mulheres (até para as da tua família), enfim, podia passar o resto do dia a dar-te mais exemplos, mas acho que nesta altura já percebeste. Enfim, de quem se autodenomina "Zé do Telhado" esperava um bocadinho mais.
Ah, só mais uma coisa. Devido à minha formação científica/profissional posso garantir-te que os humanos não desenvolvem cornos. Talvez os da tua espécie os tenham, mas a Humanidade não. Outra coisa que me apercebi que tinhas algumas dúvidas. Portando, aquilo que dizes que o sr. agente fez, "deu, e muito bem, uma bastonada nos cornos", não faz grande sentido.
Olha, Zé do Telhado, deixando ironias de lado, o fascismo já acabou há quase 34 anos. Vê se cresces.
LM
Aproveito para te esclarecer alguns pequenos pormenores que me parece que conheces mal. O 25 de Abril (não digas 25 do A. que soas a direitolas!) fez-se por muitas razões, das quais posso destacar: pelo fim da ditadura e pela liberdade de associação política (até para pessoas como tu), pelo fim das prisões políticas e das torturas, pela paz e contra a guerra colonial,pela liberdade de manifestação (percebes esta?), pelo trabalho com direitos (até para pessoas como tu), pela saúde para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pela seg. social para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pela educação para todos (até para pessoas como tu), pelos direitos das mulheres (até para as da tua família), enfim, podia passar o resto do dia a dar-te mais exemplos, mas acho que nesta altura já percebeste. Enfim, de quem se autodenomina "Zé do Telhado" esperava um bocadinho mais.
Ah, só mais uma coisa. Devido à minha formação científica/profissional posso garantir-te que os humanos não desenvolvem cornos. Talvez os da tua espécie os tenham, mas a Humanidade não. Outra coisa que me apercebi que tinhas algumas dúvidas. Portando, aquilo que dizes que o sr. agente fez, "deu, e muito bem, uma bastonada nos cornos", não faz grande sentido.
Olha, Zé do Telhado, deixando ironias de lado, o fascismo já acabou há quase 34 anos. Vê se cresces.
LM
# mordido por : 10 fevereiro, 2008 18:00
: 10 fevereiro, 2008 18:00
Liberais teriam defendido o direito 'a integridade fisica dos manifestantes contra o estado policial antes de defender o direito 'a propriedade fisica e patrimonial. Quem por aqui defende as policias tem obviamente outros compromissos ideologicos, de camisa castanha.
Mas os nossos liberais, na verdadeira tradição capitalista, defendem um Estado policial desde que não intervenha na economia, uma vez que é preciso meter os CIDADÃOS todos na ordem.
Porque se não houvesse repressão policial ainda corriam o risco de que isto se transformar numa democracia e isso não convém a ninguém!
Desde logo os trabalhadores poderiam pensar que tinham direito a intervir activamente na gestão da empresa onde trabalham (já que são eles que produzem o lucro), depois os estudante quereriam definir o regime e os métodos de ensino (já que são eles que estudam), os jornalistas escolheriam o editor (em vez do dono do jornal), depois os "arguidos" começavam a contestar publicamente as decisões dos tribunais. Às tantas, começava o povo a exigir explicações aos governantes e a poder demiti-los directamente, em vez de esperar 4 anos para votar noutro partido que faça exactamente as mesmas asneiras!
E isso não era nada bom...
P.S. Já agora, se a Câmara de Lisboa já considerou o Grémio uma instituição de utilidade pública por que raio é que não faz uma expropriação do espaço? É que felizmente, na nossa Constituição a propriedade não sagrada!
Porque se não houvesse repressão policial ainda corriam o risco de que isto se transformar numa democracia e isso não convém a ninguém!
Desde logo os trabalhadores poderiam pensar que tinham direito a intervir activamente na gestão da empresa onde trabalham (já que são eles que produzem o lucro), depois os estudante quereriam definir o regime e os métodos de ensino (já que são eles que estudam), os jornalistas escolheriam o editor (em vez do dono do jornal), depois os "arguidos" começavam a contestar publicamente as decisões dos tribunais. Às tantas, começava o povo a exigir explicações aos governantes e a poder demiti-los directamente, em vez de esperar 4 anos para votar noutro partido que faça exactamente as mesmas asneiras!
E isso não era nada bom...
P.S. Já agora, se a Câmara de Lisboa já considerou o Grémio uma instituição de utilidade pública por que raio é que não faz uma expropriação do espaço? É que felizmente, na nossa Constituição a propriedade não sagrada!
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